Thinking outside the box - in a box - SOLWorld2024-03-29T15:59:00Zhttps://solworld.ning.com/forum/topics/thinking-outside-the-box-in-a?groupUrl=texelworkshop2009&groupId=2102269%3AGroup%3A15136&id=2102269%3ATopic%3A15395&feed=yes&xn_auth=noin any case the placebo ... c…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-27:2102269:Comment:161682009-05-27T17:09:13.979Zriccardo benardonhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/riccardobenardon
in any case the placebo ... can be very effective and the nocebo very heavy on the physiology; think for example the "psychological reaction to medicinal drugs".<br />
from the technical point of view some time the system (whatever) needs a drastic action.<br />
ciao riccardo
in any case the placebo ... can be very effective and the nocebo very heavy on the physiology; think for example the "psychological reaction to medicinal drugs".<br />
from the technical point of view some time the system (whatever) needs a drastic action.<br />
ciao riccardo Hi Andre
Well, comparing "mak…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-27:2102269:Comment:161612009-05-27T15:49:16.811ZHans-Peter Kornhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
Hi Andre<br />
Well, comparing "making steps smaller" with the ongoing dilution used in homoeopathy might be a risky metaphor: The effect of homoeopathy in the sense: "D12 is often much more effective than D6" might be more based on the belief (= placebo) than on physiology... whereas the "small step method" is well founded on the science of "complex adaptive systems".<br />
And: applying "small steps" in non-complex situations will lead to inefficiency or to high danger: Crossing a crevasse with…
Hi Andre<br />
Well, comparing "making steps smaller" with the ongoing dilution used in homoeopathy might be a risky metaphor: The effect of homoeopathy in the sense: "D12 is often much more effective than D6" might be more based on the belief (= placebo) than on physiology... whereas the "small step method" is well founded on the science of "complex adaptive systems".<br />
And: applying "small steps" in non-complex situations will lead to inefficiency or to high danger: Crossing a crevasse with continuously small steps definitely is not possible, but doing it with a long jump works well.<br />
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So, "each case is different - don't apply generalised theories/methods to all cases"<br />
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Cheers,<br />
Hans-Peter Hej Lina
I see similarities t…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-27:2102269:Comment:161452009-05-27T09:56:44.497ZAndre Burkihttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/AndreBurki
Hej Lina<br />
I see similarities to John's Feldenkrais-exercises. The smaller the movement the more I can perceive the differences. Or in homoeopathic medicine: The more the active substance is diluted the more effective. In a world of globalisation and think-big and bigger I enjoy these opposite world of richness in the reduction and focusing. For me there is also an analogy to our work with the scale: reduce the difference from x to 10 by making very small steps - but continuously.<br />
Regards, Andre
Hej Lina<br />
I see similarities to John's Feldenkrais-exercises. The smaller the movement the more I can perceive the differences. Or in homoeopathic medicine: The more the active substance is diluted the more effective. In a world of globalisation and think-big and bigger I enjoy these opposite world of richness in the reduction and focusing. For me there is also an analogy to our work with the scale: reduce the difference from x to 10 by making very small steps - but continuously.<br />
Regards, Andre Thanx!!tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-25:2102269:Comment:160582009-05-25T19:56:10.656ZLina Skantzehttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/LinaSkantze
Thanx!!
Thanx!! hi hans-peter
it is exactly w…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-25:2102269:Comment:160352009-05-25T09:43:50.344Zriccardo benardonhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/riccardobenardon
hi hans-peter<br />
it is exactly what in system dynamics approach is called "helicopter view"; the distance is important because must allow to exit from the environment (or the problem), in order to see it from a different point of view, but also to see clearly all the connections with the other systems, that can be impacted from any decision.<br />
ciao riccardo
hi hans-peter<br />
it is exactly what in system dynamics approach is called "helicopter view"; the distance is important because must allow to exit from the environment (or the problem), in order to see it from a different point of view, but also to see clearly all the connections with the other systems, that can be impacted from any decision.<br />
ciao riccardo Great! I send you a short des…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-21:2102269:Comment:157112009-05-21T22:18:06.935ZHans-Peter Kornhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
Great! I send you a short description of this exercise "off list"!
Great! I send you a short description of this exercise "off list"! Hi Hans-Peter,
Good to read f…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-21:2102269:Comment:157072009-05-21T21:37:19.721ZLina Skantzehttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/LinaSkantze
Hi Hans-Peter,<br />
Good to read from you!<br />
I like like your dissociate-exercise. I will try it next time I have a chance!
Hi Hans-Peter,<br />
Good to read from you!<br />
I like like your dissociate-exercise. I will try it next time I have a chance! It's a pity that I didn't att…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-21:2102269:Comment:157042009-05-21T21:27:09.243ZHans-Peter Kornhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
It's a pity that I didn't attend your workshop (there was such a broad choice of very interesting workshops at the same time...)<br />
What I read here reminds me on that what I am doing sometimes:<br />
I ask the client to choose an object (e.g. a pillow or a book or a cup) representing the "problem". And then I ask the client to go in a distance of about 3 to 5 meters and to tell me how he could manage it to "live" with this problem until now. And to think about situations when it was a bit easier to…
It's a pity that I didn't attend your workshop (there was such a broad choice of very interesting workshops at the same time...)<br />
What I read here reminds me on that what I am doing sometimes:<br />
I ask the client to choose an object (e.g. a pillow or a book or a cup) representing the "problem". And then I ask the client to go in a distance of about 3 to 5 meters and to tell me how he could manage it to "live" with this problem until now. And to think about situations when it was a bit easier to manage it.<br />
And more of such SF-questions.<br />
I experienced, that this is helpful to "dissociate" from the problem.<br />
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Your "box" of course is a much more playful method! Thank you for sharing it! no I didn't, I'll look asap f…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-21:2102269:Comment:156562009-05-21T13:17:55.059Zriccardo benardonhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/riccardobenardon
no I didn't, I'll look asap for it.<br />
ciao riccardo
no I didn't, I'll look asap for it.<br />
ciao riccardo Wow! Beautifully described! T…tag:solworld.ning.com,2009-05-21:2102269:Comment:156342009-05-21T08:26:14.356ZLina Skantzehttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/LinaSkantze
Wow! Beautifully described! Thank you!<br />
Brings my thoughts to Tich Nat Hanh, mindfulness and other sources of the art of "observing self". Did you read the book with that title by Arthur J Deikman?
Wow! Beautifully described! Thank you!<br />
Brings my thoughts to Tich Nat Hanh, mindfulness and other sources of the art of "observing self". Did you read the book with that title by Arthur J Deikman?