Clues - first draft for comments - SOLWorld2024-03-28T13:10:39Zhttps://solworld.ning.com/forum/topics/2102269:Topic:7624?groupUrl=sfclues&commentId=2102269%3AComment%3A8488&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI absolutely love this respon…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-10-22:2102269:Comment:84882008-10-22T15:26:36.506ZJuliaFryhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/JuliaFry
I absolutely love this response, Werner! Thank you :)<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
Julia
I absolutely love this response, Werner! Thank you :)<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
Julia Hi Kirsten, Ingrid, Mark,
ma…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-09-25:2102269:Comment:77052008-09-25T18:57:45.348ZWerner Winklerhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/WernerWinkler
Hi Kirsten, Ingrid, Mark,<br />
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maybe I'm totally wrong - but isn't it so that the first and last reason for Steve's innovation (as is was for Milton H. Erickson or Paul Watzlawick) was to be curious for everything, that helps their clients to reach their goals?<br />
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What you are doing (and you are doing it obviously very well!) is - in my point of view - to describe the end of a process, not the beginning. If you focus on the end, you will maybe get lots of "certified" followers - but this will not…
Hi Kirsten, Ingrid, Mark,<br />
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maybe I'm totally wrong - but isn't it so that the first and last reason for Steve's innovation (as is was for Milton H. Erickson or Paul Watzlawick) was to be curious for everything, that helps their clients to reach their goals?<br />
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What you are doing (and you are doing it obviously very well!) is - in my point of view - to describe the end of a process, not the beginning. If you focus on the end, you will maybe get lots of "certified" followers - but this will not automatically produce more innovation or new discoverys in the way Steve or Paul Watzlawick produced.<br />
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Using a metaphor: It's like following Columbus again and again on his "right" way from Europe to the New World - but this is different from starting with the aim to find other new worlds! What do you think, on which ship Steve would like to be if he'd have a choice?<br />
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Let me give you one example: You wrote: "... having as few assumptions about the customer as possible ..." which sounds to me like: "If you want to find America, sail constantly away from Africa". What if someone discoveres for example that having a few basic assumptions about the customer is more helpful than not having them? Would you be open to such an innovation or not? I tried this (the psychographie-typology) since 1997 in combination with the SF-tools and found it very useful - for me and for my clients! Does this mean, that I am not working according to the SF-rules?<br />
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Why not keeping it simpler, saying: Everything that helps in a way the client wants, is SF - and then be very curious and open-minded?<br />
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cheers,<br />
Werner What is the difference betwee…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-09-25:2102269:Comment:76632008-09-25T07:04:13.608ZHans-Peter Kornhttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
What is the difference between this discussion here and this already existing dicusson:<br />
<a href="http://solworld.ning.com/xn/detail/2102269:Topic:2172">Draft SF Manifesto in Karlstad Group</a> including the Attachment <a href="http://solworld.ning.com/group/karlstadgroup/forum/attachment/download?id=2102269%3AUploadedFi58%3A3624">DRAFT SF Manifesto.doc</a>?
What is the difference between this discussion here and this already existing dicusson:<br />
<a href="http://solworld.ning.com/xn/detail/2102269:Topic:2172">Draft SF Manifesto in Karlstad Group</a> including the Attachment <a href="http://solworld.ning.com/group/karlstadgroup/forum/attachment/download?id=2102269%3AUploadedFi58%3A3624">DRAFT SF Manifesto.doc</a>? Hi All,
I'm struggling to fi…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-09-24:2102269:Comment:76282008-09-24T14:16:31.270ZShakyahttps://solworld.ning.com/profile/Shakya
Hi All,<br />
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I'm struggling to find anything to add to this list - it does seem very comprehensive. A few thoughts though:<br />
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* One important aspect of sf that is only there implicitly is the "establishing that the customer is indeed a 'customer for change' and is seeking concrete actions they can take to move towards their preferred future."<br />
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* I notice is a presupposition here of a practitioner and customer relationship, taking place in a number of "sessions". One area not covered is where the…
Hi All,<br />
<br />
I'm struggling to find anything to add to this list - it does seem very comprehensive. A few thoughts though:<br />
<br />
* One important aspect of sf that is only there implicitly is the "establishing that the customer is indeed a 'customer for change' and is seeking concrete actions they can take to move towards their preferred future."<br />
<br />
* I notice is a presupposition here of a practitioner and customer relationship, taking place in a number of "sessions". One area not covered is where the practitioner of solutions focus is also a participant - for example a manager doing a performance review, negotiating a contract or deciding that in a particular case <i>they themselves</i> are the customer for change.<br />
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* How about training? What are the clues that a trainer is <i>training using</i> solutions focused methods, as opposed to merely training others to do so?<br />
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cheers<br />
Shakya