SOL "Niki" (Wikipedia @ Ning) - SOLWorld2024-03-29T16:00:38Zhttp://solworld.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=2102269%3ATopic%3A5069&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIn addition to this posting I…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-18:2102269:Comment:54012008-07-18T12:03:38.246ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
In addition to this posting I want to point on a very useful description of the emergent creation of "bluepedia":<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.communixx.de/index.php/gunter-dueck-zur-bluepedia/">Gunter Dueck zur Bluepedia</a><br />
<br />
and…
In addition to this posting I want to point on a very useful description of the emergent creation of "bluepedia":<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.communixx.de/index.php/gunter-dueck-zur-bluepedia/">Gunter Dueck zur Bluepedia</a><br />
<br />
and<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.computerzeitung.de/articles/das_ibm-intranet_kann_so_etwas_wie_ein_register_gebrauchen:/2008007/31395755_ha_CZ.html?path=/articles/2008007/31395755_ha_CZ.html&art=/articles/2008007/31395755_ha_CZ.html&thes=8012,9867,9868,9869&pid=ee54f3c7-0de1-40f5-bb23-2cfdf022aee5">IBM-Professor Dueck: IBM-Wikipedia Bluepedia profiliert sich als freiwilliges Wissensmanagement</a><br />
<br />
I highly recommend to read the original article in the recent issue of "Computer Spectrum" (= volume 31, no 3, pp 262 - 269)<br />
<br />
In this article I found a lot of "proofs", that a successful wiki is a emergent, complex and self organising hyperdoc... predefining the structure would reduce the unique strength of this kind of hyperdoc.<br />
<br />
And a experience, that such a wiki is working only if the numbers of readers and editors are quite big... the editors in the range of 50 and more... and the readers many hundreds or - even better - thousands... Hi guys!
I have not had any…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-13:2102269:Comment:52182008-07-13T17:37:53.610ZPaolo Ternihttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/PaoloTerni
Hi guys!<br />
<br />
I have not had any experience editing stuff on wikipedia.<br />
Having said that, I like Hans-Peter idea better.<br />
It makes sense to use what is already there.<br />
It will give us more visibility.<br />
Of course everything depends on the goals - but since we already have a social network, I think that a "database" on wikipedia is the way to go.<br />
First, let's make use of that.<br />
Then, we'll see.<br />
<br />
Best,<br />
Paolo<br />
<br />
PS: i know, I am the resident geek... I can't help it! :) but I just finished reading the book…
Hi guys!<br />
<br />
I have not had any experience editing stuff on wikipedia.<br />
Having said that, I like Hans-Peter idea better.<br />
It makes sense to use what is already there.<br />
It will give us more visibility.<br />
Of course everything depends on the goals - but since we already have a social network, I think that a "database" on wikipedia is the way to go.<br />
First, let's make use of that.<br />
Then, we'll see.<br />
<br />
Best,<br />
Paolo<br />
<br />
PS: i know, I am the resident geek... I can't help it! :) but I just finished reading the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Here-Comes-Everybody-Organizing-Organizations/dp/1594201536/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215970532&sr=8-1">Here comes everybody</a> and I think it is a wonderful book to understand social tools and how they are changing the way we connect; my point of view is strongly influenced by what I understood by reading that. Well, it seems we have differ…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-13:2102269:Comment:52162008-07-13T10:23:42.135ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
Well, it seems we have different experiences with Wikipedia: For me it was possible in a reasonable way to change this entry in Wikipedia:<br />
<a>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Therapie</a><br />
<br />
Of course, in the first steps it was necessary for me to incorporate some "Wikipedia Rules"... but this also will be necessary for an own "body"...<br />
<br />
So, for me it worked.... and I would prefer to do more of it...<br />
<br />
For example: To receive more inputs to this draft in…
Well, it seems we have different experiences with Wikipedia: For me it was possible in a reasonable way to change this entry in Wikipedia:<br />
<a href="http://">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Therapie</a><br />
<br />
Of course, in the first steps it was necessary for me to incorporate some "Wikipedia Rules"... but this also will be necessary for an own "body"...<br />
<br />
So, for me it worked.... and I would prefer to do more of it...<br />
<br />
For example: To receive more inputs to this draft in Wikipedia:<br />
<a href="%20http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Arbeit_im_Management"><br />
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Arbeit_im_Management">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Arbeit_im_Management</a></a><br />
to make it "open for all". Hi Kamila and Hans-Peter
I t…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-13:2102269:Comment:52102008-07-13T10:04:43.494ZMark McKergowhttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/MarkMcKergow
Hi Kamila and Hans-Peter<br />
<br />
I think this is a finely balanced discussion. On the one hand I would be delighted to get us more exposure in the normal Wikipedia - however my experience of trying to get stuff onto it has been depressing and futile. On the other hand our own thing would be much easier to use and assemble - however, it would not be nearly so widely visible. What do other people think?
Hi Kamila and Hans-Peter<br />
<br />
I think this is a finely balanced discussion. On the one hand I would be delighted to get us more exposure in the normal Wikipedia - however my experience of trying to get stuff onto it has been depressing and futile. On the other hand our own thing would be much easier to use and assemble - however, it would not be nearly so widely visible. What do other people think? Hi Kamila,
with "very first s…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-12:2102269:Comment:51772008-07-12T23:25:29.627ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
Hi Kamila,<br />
with "very first steps" I mean this:<br />
<br />
Together with Mark (as I know he already have some first experiences how to edit articles in the english version of wikipedia) you and others can change this articles:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_focused_brief_therapy">Solution focused brief therapy</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering_the_Art_of_Solution-Focused_Counseling">Mastering the Art of Solution-Focused Counseling</a> in a way, that also the application…
Hi Kamila,<br />
with "very first steps" I mean this:<br />
<br />
Together with Mark (as I know he already have some first experiences how to edit articles in the english version of wikipedia) you and others can change this articles:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_focused_brief_therapy">Solution focused brief therapy</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering_the_Art_of_Solution-Focused_Counseling">Mastering the Art of Solution-Focused Counseling</a> in a way, that also the application of SF in organisations is mentioned in this articles in an appropriate way. And in addition to this a new article for "SF in organisations" can be created.<br />
<br />
After this you can create an article about "SF in organisations" in the Česky version of Wikipedia.<br />
<br />
And I - again - invite all German speaking persons to make contributions to <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Arbeit_im_Management">Lösungsfokussierte Arbeit im Management</a> in the German wikipedia.<br />
<br />
Let's do this steps first and let's see how it works.<br />
<br />
I myself am not a friend of discussing detailed structures of procspective contributions. I prefer to let emerge structures first and after that we can see better what structures we shall support.<br />
<br />
Wikipedia (and IMHO all other wikis) are emergent, complex and self organising hyperdocs... predefining their structure would reduce the unique strength of this kind of hyperdocs. Hello, Hans-Peter,
Thank you…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-12:2102269:Comment:51752008-07-12T22:36:08.927ZKamila Novakovahttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/KamilaNovakova
Hello, Hans-Peter,<br />
<br />
Thank you for your inputs (and for the link to Czech version of "Wiki" as well - I allready have it saved in my "Favourites" for long time).<br />
Could you please be more specific regarding the small steps of building the SF Wiki? What exactly do you mean by "something about SF outside the therapy"?<br />
As regarding me, I'll appreciate to discuss the structure of procspective contributions in more detailed way. Perhaps we can follow the logic of main groups at SOL world at Ning?<br />
To…
Hello, Hans-Peter,<br />
<br />
Thank you for your inputs (and for the link to Czech version of "Wiki" as well - I allready have it saved in my "Favourites" for long time).<br />
Could you please be more specific regarding the small steps of building the SF Wiki? What exactly do you mean by "something about SF outside the therapy"?<br />
As regarding me, I'll appreciate to discuss the structure of procspective contributions in more detailed way. Perhaps we can follow the logic of main groups at SOL world at Ning?<br />
To move our discussion one step higher - let's create a workgroup and invite more people to participate. :) Now I have found it: http://c…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-12:2102269:Comment:51732008-07-12T20:00:45.200ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
Now I have found it: <a href="http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki">http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki</a> is the Česky version of Wikipedia...
Now I have found it: <a href="http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki">http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki</a> is the Česky version of Wikipedia... Hi Kamila,
let's emerge such…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-12:2102269:Comment:51672008-07-12T16:24:01.309ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
Hi Kamila,<br />
<br />
let's emerge such a wiki about SF by:<br />
==> doing it in small steps<br />
==> using existing and well established and well known platforms<br />
<br />
My proposal (again):<br />
<br />
1.<br />
Let's enlarge / enhance this articles in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org</a> by adding something about SF outside therapy:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_focused_brief_therapy">Solution focused brief therapy…</a>
Hi Kamila,<br />
<br />
let's emerge such a wiki about SF by:<br />
==> doing it in small steps<br />
==> using existing and well established and well known platforms<br />
<br />
My proposal (again):<br />
<br />
1.<br />
Let's enlarge / enhance this articles in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org</a> by adding something about SF outside therapy:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_focused_brief_therapy">Solution focused brief therapy</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering_the_Art_of_Solution-Focused_Counseling">Mastering the Art of Solution-Focused Counseling</a><br />
<br />
2.<br />
Let's add one (or more) articles about SF-work in organisations into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org</a><br />
<br />
3.<br />
Let's do similar tasks for:<br />
<br />
==><a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/">http://de.wikipedia.org/</a><br />
(I did it allready for <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6sungsorientierte_Kurztherapie">Lösungsfokussierten Kurztherapie</a> and I hope for more contributions for <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Arbeit_im_Management">Lösungsfokussierte Arbeit im Management</a>)<br />
<br />
==> <a href="http://sl.wikipedia.org">http://sl.wikipedia.org</a> (I couldn't find a Tchech version)<br />
<br />
==> <a href="http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/">http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a><br />
<br />
==> ... and other languages....<br />
<br />
So, how can we manage it, that there are some authors who are willing to do this for all those languages where wikipedia is available??<br />
<br />
<i><b>=== Let's make it as simple as necessary by using as far as possible existing well known environments ===</b></i> Hello, Hans-Peter,
Thanks fo…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-12:2102269:Comment:51652008-07-12T15:39:23.096ZKamila Novakovahttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/KamilaNovakova
Hello, Hans-Peter,<br />
<br />
Thanks for your comments and realistic point of view. I agree with you in some points - at least it is brilliant demonstration of "use of what's there (not concentrate on what's missing)" principle. :)<br />
<br />
Of course I have considered the possibility of using any free platform, or to develop links in classical Wiki, and both seemed to me to be quite good ideas... Anyway, I decided to make a bit different proposal - to use paid solution, that is naturally integrated to the Ning…
Hello, Hans-Peter,<br />
<br />
Thanks for your comments and realistic point of view. I agree with you in some points - at least it is brilliant demonstration of "use of what's there (not concentrate on what's missing)" principle. :)<br />
<br />
Of course I have considered the possibility of using any free platform, or to develop links in classical Wiki, and both seemed to me to be quite good ideas... Anyway, I decided to make a bit different proposal - to use paid solution, that is naturally integrated to the Ning site (that will enable to turn SOLworld at Ning to "single point of contact" - a place, where will be possible to find SF relevant information all-in-one).<br />
<br />
The price for Niki is really small. It isn't problem to pay the fee myself, therefore my invitation for sharing fees should be better understood as a symbolic act (my presupposition was, if people have to pay for something, they would be more interested in future development of the project they have supported, even if only symbolic way).<br />
<br />
Second presupposition that led me to make my proposal was my understanding the purpose of this site. For me, creating the SOLworld at Ning was something special that offered a unique way how to invite SF practitioners around the globe to share thier ideas at one place and in "real time".<br />
<br />
As I had known, some people were interested to create their own "signposts" to interesting resources (book listings, articles, etc.), so it seemed to me only logical to rise a question, if somebody else is interested in creating the SF Body Of Knowledge<br />
<br />
I guess it would be possible to create SF BOK at Ning, using Niki - to make it easy for SF public to contribute, and later link the content to classic Wiki.<br />
<br />
At the moment, I just wonder if there is enough people willing to support such project. If so, the next step is to discuss the best way how to create "the SF BOK" and to choose the platform (if nobody would be interested in Niki), and to decide how to manage accessibility for searching engines (no matter on used platform).<br />
<br />
[This question I've intently avoided, as I don't know the strategy of promotion of this site... You are right, it is difficult to reach good position for newly created sites, but I am sure in case of neccessity it would be possible to find reasonable way of SEO optimisation, no matter if paid of free.] Yes, I would be very happy if…tag:solworld.ning.com,2008-07-12:2102269:Comment:51522008-07-12T08:45:09.099ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.ning.com/profile/HansPeterKorn
Yes, I would be very happy if this: "it could be co-created by all members" will happen.<br />
In the moment my experience is a bit different.... As I wrote in my posting above (reply to Coert) I am a bit disapointed about missing co-contributions to <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Arbeit_im_Management">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussie...</a>
Yes, I would be very happy if this: "it could be co-created by all members" will happen.<br />
In the moment my experience is a bit different.... As I wrote in my posting above (reply to Coert) I am a bit disapointed about missing co-contributions to <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussierte_Arbeit_im_Management">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:H-p-korn/L%C3%B6sungsfokussie...</a>